tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7051719.post7979350956534249328..comments2023-09-09T07:27:10.961-06:00Comments on SoapBoxTech: Mental Conditioning in Eco-marketingJerryhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10354640729644229842noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7051719.post-51257045193507374392008-10-11T11:38:00.000-06:002008-10-11T11:38:00.000-06:00My concern with over-population is not about food ...My concern with over-population is not about food specifically, it is about resource consumption in general. I agree completely that humans should make much better choices but its pretty hard to preach about better choices when the vast majority of the (approximately) 6.5 Billion people on the planet live at a VERY low standard of living, and we few in the west have lived at such a very high standard of living. We have the ability to discuss (argue over) whether over-population is an issue or not. <BR/><BR/>Horatio, I don't understand your logic here I'm afraid. You say that people should govern agriculture and, I assume, resource management. But then you also say that people don't do what is in the best interests of humanity. Your second statement rather justifies the position of the elite which feel they have to MAKE the masses do what is best for humanity.<BR/><BR/>However, I don't think your statement was completely accurate. I think people in North America tend to do what feels best for them, right now. I think people who are starving do what it takes to survive day to day, with no concern whatsoever for the ramifications of that survival. I cannot really fault them for this.<BR/><BR/>And no, you don't sound communist Horatio. In communism the State is in control of everything, including agriculture.<BR/><BR/>I am a bit uncomfortable making these criticisms tho, because I know you want to do what is best for all, humans and non. I admire that, I just feel that some attempts to "help" only end up making things worse. That doesn't mean we should do nothing, it means we should very very carefully look at the present situations, the history leading to those situations, the ramifications of actions to correct the situations.<BR/><BR/>Now, to clarify MY thoughts on over-population...<BR/><BR/>I do not know what the tipping point is for human population. I DO know how fast this population is growing. I DO know that we might not be there yet, but we WILL reach a point where a decent standard of living could no longer be provided to every human. And we've still got no real way of determining what that decent standard of living should be. Even if we established this standard, as far as I can see, it would mean the relinquishing of ALL property, ALL ownership. But without those, who gets to determine who lives where? It would be absolutely impossible to divvy the whole planet up equally, and to keep re-doing so with each new birth. <BR/><BR/>But only in a dream world is the model of constant growth possible, and this includes human population.<BR/><BR/>And what about the non-humans?Jerryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10354640729644229842noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7051719.post-36112885945476771872008-10-09T11:49:00.000-06:002008-10-09T11:49:00.000-06:00I disagree with the over-population issue. I don't...I disagree with the over-population issue. I don't believe the planet is overpopulated, we've just decided to allow the use of certain resources at the exclusion of others and allowed agriculture to be managed by government instead of people.<BR/><BR/>For example. Take $800 billion and build hydroponic skyscrapers for growing fruits and veggies. Now, how much food would that be and how many hungry people do you think we'd have?<BR/><BR/>People don't do waht's in the best intrests of humanity. Self is very important, I am a rugged individualist - but I believe in thinking of others as well. If agriculture was not centralized in the hands of the state, and not considered something that profit should made from, there would be no hunger.<BR/><BR/>I know, i know - sounds communist.Administratorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08186405913402441071noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7051719.post-56576803283693200972008-10-08T20:05:00.000-06:002008-10-08T20:05:00.000-06:00We can only continue to provide examples. They ha...We can only continue to provide examples. They have to see it and understand it themselves.<BR/><BR/>And some, I think, are not wired so at to ever be able to understand.Jerryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10354640729644229842noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7051719.post-85074734537277422812008-10-08T19:58:00.000-06:002008-10-08T19:58:00.000-06:00Quite a nice closing statement, SBT. You are right...Quite a nice closing statement, SBT. You are right about those four issues as being key, but I particularly love that ending: "...a realization that all things are connected." Now we just have to figure how to get others to see that...MoonRavenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03010194761440202586noreply@blogger.com